Comments on: No Mention of Java 6 on Leopard Features Page http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/ A blog about Java, REST, and other stuff. Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:10:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Ryan http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-53417 Ryan Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:04:39 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-53417 By playing games I mean not being open with the community about the status of Java on the Mac. It's now a year since Java 6 was released and there is no word from Apple as to what their commitment to Java is on the Mac. No doubt, it's not at the top of their list but getting some kind of idea of what Apples Java plans are for an Open Platform. If your doing Swing development, Java 6 is very compelling. From my POV, things like JAX-WS and a built HTTP server make Java 6 a great target platform for RESTEasy. So do I need to move to Java 6? No. Would I like to and still work on my Mac, absolutely! And no, Windows on VMWare is not a good answer as it defeats the purpose of owning a Mac in the first place. Coincidentally, I also work in the FS world and have been successful in getting clients onto Java 5. Performance and JMX management of the JVM have been the key sellers there. Many of these guys run Swing apps and using things like old versions of JDIC to do the same things that Java 6 can do. It's only a matter of time. By playing games I mean not being open with the community about the status of Java on the Mac. It’s now a year since Java 6 was released and there is no word from Apple as to what their commitment to Java is on the Mac. No doubt, it’s not at the top of their list but getting some kind of idea of what Apples Java plans are for an Open Platform.

If your doing Swing development, Java 6 is very compelling. From my POV, things like JAX-WS and a built HTTP server make Java 6 a great target platform for RESTEasy. So do I need to move to Java 6? No. Would I like to and still work on my Mac, absolutely! And no, Windows on VMWare is not a good answer as it defeats the purpose of owning a Mac in the first place.

Coincidentally, I also work in the FS world and have been successful in getting clients onto Java 5. Performance and JMX management of the JVM have been the key sellers there. Many of these guys run Swing apps and using things like old versions of JDIC to do the same things that Java 6 can do. It’s only a matter of time.

]]> By: alex http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-53338 alex Thu, 01 Nov 2007 01:21:42 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-53338 Playing games? They will put out Java 6 when its ready. I do wish that they would simply port a linux/unix Sun implementation and let it use non-cocoa UI elements. Or atleast make this possible for developers, but continue to do it for OS integration the way they do. Anyways, you need Java 6 immediately? Most of the retail software world (especially the financial market i work in) is still using 1.4.2 in their live apps, and reluctantly moving to jdk 1.5 in new versions/products. Thats just the JDK though, Java EE 5? That's a pipe dream. Java 10 will be out before that sees production use. Playing games? They will put out Java 6 when its ready. I do wish that they would simply port a linux/unix Sun implementation and let it use non-cocoa UI elements. Or atleast make this possible for developers, but continue to do it for OS integration the way they do.

Anyways, you need Java 6 immediately? Most of the retail software world (especially the financial market i work in) is still using 1.4.2 in their live apps, and reluctantly moving to jdk 1.5 in new versions/products. Thats just the JDK though, Java EE 5? That’s a pipe dream. Java 10 will be out before that sees production use.

]]> By: DamnHandy : » Java 6 WILL NOT be Included in Mac OS X Leopard http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-52142 DamnHandy : » Java 6 WILL NOT be Included in Mac OS X Leopard Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:56:37 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-52142 [...] Considering that Java 6 is not listed as one of the 300+ new features, and I’ve received a few good comments which strongly indicate that Java 5 is the JVM that ships with Leopard. There maybe a separate Java [...] [...] Considering that Java 6 is not listed as one of the 300+ new features, and I’ve received a few good comments which strongly indicate that Java 5 is the JVM that ships with Leopard. There maybe a separate Java [...]

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-52129 Anonymous Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:22:10 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-52129 From what I've been able to learn from people who have already installed the GA build, there is no Java 6 pre-installed on Leopard. At least, there is no "1.6" in "System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/versions/". Java 6 will have to be a separate download then. Hope it's soon. I notice also that Apple removed the Java 6 Developer preview from the ADC site. Strange. From what I’ve been able to learn from people who have already installed the GA build, there is no Java 6 pre-installed on Leopard. At least, there is no “1.6″ in “System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/versions/”. Java 6 will have to be a separate download then. Hope it’s soon. I notice also that Apple removed the Java 6 Developer preview from the ADC site. Strange.

]]> By: joe http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-51589 joe Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:46:11 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-51589 I prepurchased Leopard. I selected the "chat" button during my purchase to talk to Apple Reps about Java 1.6 on Leopard. Each one spoke to a system engineer. The engineers said no information has been released yet regarding the version of Java on Leopard. However, the rep did everything she could to let me know that Java 1.6 would be available for Leopard. Two all but told me that it would be offered as a separate download much like 1.5 was offered separately when Tiger was first released. This makes sense as 1.6 sometimes breaks certain 3rd party Java Libraries and tools. So, I'd put $100 on Java 1.6 being offered as a separate download with Leopard. I prepurchased Leopard. I selected the “chat” button during my purchase to talk to Apple Reps about Java 1.6 on Leopard. Each one spoke to a system engineer. The engineers said no information has been released yet regarding the version of Java on Leopard. However, the rep did everything she could to let me know that Java 1.6 would be available for Leopard. Two all but told me that it would be offered as a separate download much like 1.5 was offered separately when Tiger was first released. This makes sense as 1.6 sometimes breaks certain 3rd party Java Libraries and tools. So, I’d put $100 on Java 1.6 being offered as a separate download with Leopard.

]]> By: Diz http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-51141 Diz Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:36:17 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-51141 Well, java is mentioned on the leopard/server pages as well..... Well, java is mentioned on the leopard/server pages as well…..

]]> By: Ryan http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-50981 Ryan Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:46:24 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-50981 Actually, UML runs just fine in NetBeans 5.5.1, it's just the NetBeans 6.0 beta where the UML tools are currently supported. Every Mac currently supports up to Java 5 - both JRE and JDKs. Leopard will bring Java 6 into the mix. Actually, UML runs just fine in NetBeans 5.5.1, it’s just the NetBeans 6.0 beta where the UML tools are currently supported. Every Mac currently supports up to Java 5 - both JRE and JDKs. Leopard will bring Java 6 into the mix.

]]> By: Smike http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-50966 Smike Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:47:40 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-50966 I mean JDK. For example, UML NetBeans support doesn't work on macs, because of JDK issues. I mean JDK. For example, UML NetBeans support doesn’t work on macs, because of JDK issues.

]]> By: dee http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-50925 dee Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:08:35 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-50925 When you say java support on the macbook, what exactly do you mean? The JDK? The JRE? When you say java support on the macbook, what exactly do you mean? The JDK? The JRE?

]]> By: Smike http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-50872 Smike Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:05:30 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2007/10/17/no-mention-of-java-6-on-leopard-features-page/#comment-50872 It's pity. I would like to buy a macbook, but I am concerned about Java support. It’s pity. I would like to buy a macbook, but I am concerned about Java support.

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