Comments on: Java 6 on Mac OS X may Require Leopard http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/ A blog about Java, REST, and other stuff. Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:10:33 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Sukma http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/comment-page-1/#comment-64915 Sukma Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:59:08 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/#comment-64915 Hi, do you know that Apple has just released Java SE DP 8 (1.6.0_01) three days ago. I think they are afraid if Java developer that using OS X stop using their hardware & operating system :D Yups, It require Leopard 10.5.1. Check it now - http://connect.apple.com Hi, do you know that Apple has just released Java SE DP 8 (1.6.0_01) three days ago.
I think they are afraid if Java developer that using OS X stop using their hardware & operating system :D
Yups, It require Leopard 10.5.1. Check it now – http://connect.apple.com

]]> By: kwolf http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/comment-page-1/#comment-59809 kwolf Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:18:54 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/#comment-59809 I wonder if the Apple/Java vacuum has to do with the fact that Java is now GPL’d. I seem to remember that one of the reasons that Apple chose BSD over Linux for OS X was due to the way GPL’d software is licensed. Think about it… Apple has done A LOT of work to integrate Java into just about every aspect of OS X. Probably, under the GPL, they’d have to cough up a lot of their proprietary integration source code. I think that this is also why there is no official QuickTime Player for Linux. If Apple were to come out and announce that they won’t support Java on OS X because of the GPL, it would probably cause much worse press than the present situation (which also sucks, btw). I’ve been an Java developer for quite a while and an Apple user for almost as long. I can understand that Apple would rather have desktop apps written in Objective C than in Java - especially with all the security implications of JVM’s these days - Apple even locked down Quicktime for Java in QT 7.3. However, Apple has a lot invested in Java-based technologies. Especially in their pursuit of the server market. OS X Server ships with JBoss & Tomcat - even WebObjects, Apple’s own app server was converted to Java. At the last WWDC, while there was certainly an air of frustration among Java developers, I left with a positive outlook on the future of Java on the Mac… Maybe I was just in the “reality distortion field” too long… Since OS X, Apple has been a big supporter of Open Source software - but NOT Free (GPL’d) software. My feeling is that before we see any future versions of Java for OS X (or on the iPhone), Apple will have to figure out how their proprietary technologies such as Aqua, QuickTime, etc. will be able to legally integrate with GPL’d Java. Either that, or Apple will cease in-house Java development entirely and give it back o the community - relegating it to unsupported third party add-on status. I wonder if the Apple/Java vacuum has to do with the fact that Java is now GPL’d. I seem to remember that one of the reasons that Apple chose BSD over Linux for OS X was due to the way GPL’d software is licensed. Think about it… Apple has done A LOT of work to integrate Java into just about every aspect of OS X. Probably, under the GPL, they’d have to cough up a lot of their proprietary integration source code. I think that this is also why there is no official QuickTime Player for Linux. If Apple were to come out and announce that they won’t support Java on OS X because of the GPL, it would probably cause much worse press than the present situation (which also sucks, btw).

I’ve been an Java developer for quite a while and an Apple user for almost as long. I can understand that Apple would rather have desktop apps written in Objective C than in Java – especially with all the security implications of JVM’s these days – Apple even locked down Quicktime for Java in QT 7.3. However, Apple has a lot invested in Java-based technologies. Especially in their pursuit of the server market. OS X Server ships with JBoss & Tomcat – even WebObjects, Apple’s own app server was converted to Java.

At the last WWDC, while there was certainly an air of frustration among Java developers, I left with a positive outlook on the future of Java on the Mac… Maybe I was just in the “reality distortion field” too long…

Since OS X, Apple has been a big supporter of Open Source software – but NOT Free (GPL’d) software. My feeling is that before we see any future versions of Java for OS X (or on the iPhone), Apple will have to figure out how their proprietary technologies such as Aqua, QuickTime, etc. will be able to legally integrate with GPL’d Java. Either that, or Apple will cease in-house Java development entirely and give it back o the community – relegating it to unsupported third party add-on status.

]]> By: Chris G. Sellers http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/comment-page-1/#comment-54923 Chris G. Sellers Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:38:39 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/#comment-54923 Bruce - that is a rather harsh statement without any real value in it? What are you trying to point out that Apple has done wrong with Microsoft Office? Bruce – that is a rather harsh statement without any real value in it? What are you trying to point out that Apple has done wrong with Microsoft Office?

]]> By: Bruce http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/comment-page-1/#comment-54056 Bruce Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:09:00 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/#comment-54056 Apple's lack of support for J6 for so long and their failure to deal with the real needs of their users to have microsoft office run at even reasonable performance is beyond disappointing. it shows where they are headed. period Apple’s lack of support for J6 for so long and their failure to deal with the real needs of their users to have microsoft office run at even reasonable performance is beyond disappointing. it shows where they are headed. period

]]> By: Colin http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/comment-page-1/#comment-52259 Colin Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:34:52 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/#comment-52259 Java 6 is not included in Leopard, nor is the beta still available for download. I just installed Leopard and the Dev Tools, no dice. Java 6 is not included in Leopard, nor is the beta still available for download. I just installed Leopard and the Dev Tools, no dice.

]]> By: Toby’s Epril :: Entries :: 맥에서 자바개발은 포기해야 하나 http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/comment-page-1/#comment-23986 Toby’s Epril :: Entries :: 맥에서 자바개발은 포기해야 하나 Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:17:48 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/#comment-23986 [...] Java 6 on Mac OS X may Require Leopard [...] [...] Java 6 on Mac OS X may Require Leopard [...]

]]> By: GameDevMike » Blog Archive » Which Java Version to Target for Mac? http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/comment-page-1/#comment-12223 GameDevMike » Blog Archive » Which Java Version to Target for Mac? Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:20:16 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/#comment-12223 [...] So Java game developers need to make a tough choice, one that can affect not just the Mac but each platform they release on. It’s no problem requiring the latest Java for a game on Windows or Linux if you bundle the JRE with the distribution, but this is not possible on Mac. So do you restrict yourself to Java 5 and lose potential customers who are still on Mac OS X 10.4, or do you give up the newer Java features you wanted to use and stick with Java 1.4.2? The choice will get tougher with the new Java 6 when Apple finally releases it — I’ve heard rumors that the final version will require Mac OS X 10.5 (though beta versions run on 10.4). [...] [...] So Java game developers need to make a tough choice, one that can affect not just the Mac but each platform they release on. It’s no problem requiring the latest Java for a game on Windows or Linux if you bundle the JRE with the distribution, but this is not possible on Mac. So do you restrict yourself to Java 5 and lose potential customers who are still on Mac OS X 10.4, or do you give up the newer Java features you wanted to use and stick with Java 1.4.2? The choice will get tougher with the new Java 6 when Apple finally releases it — I’ve heard rumors that the final version will require Mac OS X 10.5 (though beta versions run on 10.4). [...]

]]> By: Frank Cornelis http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/comment-page-1/#comment-11078 Frank Cornelis Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:29:28 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/#comment-11078 JDK 1.6.0_b88 is indeed very old as it contains the older version of the Smart Card IO API that is not compatible with the one found in b105. JDK 1.6.0_b88 is indeed very old as it contains the older version of the Smart Card IO API that is not compatible with the one found in b105.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/comment-page-1/#comment-8207 Ryan Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:39:56 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/#comment-8207 <a target=\"\\\" href=\"http://www.damnhandy.com/%5C%22https://jdk6.dev.java.net/files/documents/5490/39070/jdk6-b88.html%5C%22\" rel="nofollow">JDK 1.6.0_b88 was released 8/15/2006</a>, Apple\'s Java SE 6.0 Release 1 Developer Preview 6 was released a month latter on 9/13/2006. At that point in time, Apple was keeping the pace. It\'s now 4 months later and the <a href=\"http://www.damnhandy.com/%5C%22https://jdk6.dev.java.net/%5C%22\" rel="nofollow">Java 6 Community</a> has seen 2 betas and one RC while Apple has remained quiet. Apple\'s current pace isn\'t quite as fast as the Java 6 Community. However, that\'s not to say that Apple doesn\'t have an up-to-date version of Java 6 that is currently in the Leopard Developer Releases. JDK 1.6.0_b88 was released 8/15/2006, Apple\’s Java SE 6.0 Release 1 Developer Preview 6 was released a month latter on 9/13/2006. At that point in time, Apple was keeping the pace. It\’s now 4 months later and the Java 6 Community has seen 2 betas and one RC while Apple has remained quiet. Apple\’s current pace isn\’t quite as fast as the Java 6 Community. However, that\’s not to say that Apple doesn\’t have an up-to-date version of Java 6 that is currently in the Leopard Developer Releases.

]]> By: Geert Bevin http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/comment-page-1/#comment-8201 Geert Bevin Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:21:13 +0000 http://www.damnhandy.com/2006/12/12/java-6-on-mac-os-x-may-require-leopard/#comment-8201 JDK 1.6.0_b88 very old? This release is only a month or three old, which is totally fine. A lot of companies haven't even switched to Java 5 yet, give Apple a break. I think they're following the pace of JDK 1.6 extremely quickly. JDK 1.6.0_b88 very old? This release is only a month or three old, which is totally fine. A lot of companies haven’t even switched to Java 5 yet, give Apple a break. I think they’re following the pace of JDK 1.6 extremely quickly.

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